If You Eat, You Shall Surely Die… (1100 words Med.)

“In the day you eat, you shall surely die…” is the warning of the Genesis story of Adam and Eve. If we are to take the scriptures literally, than Eve would have died upon her consuming the fruit first, and would have never had the chance to give it to Adam. But that did not happen, so either God lied, or there’s more to that passage than a simplified “literal” interpretation. Likewise, our 183yr old condemnation must not be overlooked just because the church we belong to has “financially” broad shoulders, thus dismissing the idea that we are actually in condemnation. The effects of God’s penalty is not God’s doing, rather the result of God stepping back, to give you agency to determine the master you will serve.

God’s Warning: The warning is well known to all who’ve read the Bible, or heard the story of Adam & Eve, “In the day that you partake, you shall surely die…” Two parts of this warning stands out, and ought to be considered, to properly see our current condition of the 183yr old condemnation:

  1. The timing of the action (“In the day that you partake…”)
  2. The timing of the penalty (“you shall surely die…”)

This was not an immediate consequence, but a warning that once you partake, that will begin the process of a certain death. Looking into the Hebrew, we learn that “in the day…” was not a 24 hour period, as we think today. A common mistake people make is to interpret in modern terms rather than understanding the author’s intent and context. Instead, “the day” represented a time period when Adam and Eve chose. Thus we can substitute the word “when” you partake… instead of “In the day that you partake…” and the author’s intent would remain unaltered, and intact.

If “In the day that you partake…” is to be understood as “When you partake…,” then “surely dying…” was also conditional to occur after the partaking, but does not require it to mean “immediately after partaking.” The Hebrew language supports that this is not an immediate reaction, that when Eve partakes, and chokes and dies on the spot. A better translation would be: doomed to die, or sentenced to death. That does not imply that the sentence was carried out just yet.

Understanding the timing of the action of Adam & Eve, and the timing of the penalty, provides great insight to the correct attributes of God. God is merciful, but cannot rob justice. The mercy we have been given is the agency to act. However, when we choose to act out of alignment, we are left to reap the rewards of our actions. No one overeats in one meal sitting, and expects to find themselves obese at the end of the meal. But, everyone understands that constant overeating, meal after meal, will eventually lead to obesity. Thus it is with the condemnation that the saints have been under for 183 years.

God’s Warning to Us: The condemnation I’m referring to has been addressed many times before, but never connected to the warning God gives to Adam & Eve. Perhaps understanding the timing of Adam & Eve’s action, as it relates to the timing of their penalty,  would convince you not to take the warning of your condemnation so lightly.

D&C 84:54-57

“54 And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly  the things you have received—

55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation.

56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all.

57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written—”

The timing of the penalty was not immediate here, as it was not immediate when Adam & Eve partook of the fruit. The condemnation will remain, until we either repent (preferable), or suffer the consequences of God naturally withdrawing, having tried to gather you like a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but ye would not. We must seek the words of Christ, not only to say, but to do according to that which has been written.

In this scripture, we were instructed to do that which has been written. But every Sunday we teach our primary children that a living prophet is better than a dead prophet, and then we sing “Follow the Prophet,” to make the message clear. The message is “There is no need to study the words of Christ if it contradicts the counsel of the current prophet.” And the idea that studying the current conference report has greater value than studying the scriptures, where people died and were killed to bring it forth, seems crazy to me.

In the end, it will be you who must make the final decision, which master you will serve. And the answer to that question will teeter on your choice to seek to know the mind and will of God, by knowing the words of Christ, or not! No man can serve two masters, so all men are destined to choose their master. The elect will choose Christ, while everyone else will not. That is the prophesy!

Conclusion: I am recommending that we do as Adam was advised, “…Awake, and arise!” I have consistently recommended that we knock on heaven’s doors, by studying the words of Christ. You can know who is studying the words of Christ by the quality and quantity of their questions. D&C was the result of scripture study, that led to asking questions and getting revelation. So, naturally, …knocking leads to asking. And asking leads to seeking. Those who seek Christ through the implementation of this process, will find what they are seeking for, …Christ. But failure to partake of the treasures in the heavens, will result in certain condemnation and death. Such a death will make itself evident, not immediately, but eventually.

Avoid the work of death. Seek light by the hungering and thirsting after righteousness. the warning of Adam is upon all who partake of that fruit. So is the condemnation. But the choice was not Adam’s to make for you. You are required to “Choose ye this day whom you will serve.” No man can serve two masters. Either he will love the one and hate the other, or he will cling to the one and despise the other. No man can serve two masters! Choose wisely!




2 thoughts on “If You Eat, You Shall Surely Die… (1100 words Med.)

  1. First of all – The death that Adam and Eve were promised was very important to our well being and to our immortality and to our salvation. They chose wisely. They chose to be the ones to bring about our Heavenly Father’s and Christ’s plan to people the earth, to go and grow through the earthly test of temporal and spiritual challenges to prove their devotion and obedience to the mind and will of God. God, himself, sent His only beloved Son to die an earthly death – that same death that Adam and Eve were promised – if they partook of the fruit. Your analogies lack scriptural substance and do not hold true to the charge you keep trying to make against the church.
    Secondly – You refer to the “death” Adam and Eve were condemned to as a penalty caused by their partaking of the fruit.
    But although death was the issued consequence of their action, God knew that this consequence was indeed necessary for the salvation of man to progress to the next step toward exaltation. This act alone separated Satan and his followers from those who followed Christ. So this act blessed us in that Satan and his followers could not obtain bodies as we have which becomes the first separation from Satan. This will be followed by the separation from Satan in the millenia when his hands are bound and we will stand on our own two feet and truly be accountable for our choices. So for you to align this very necessary step to Zion with the condemnation of the Saints 183 years ago is forcing whatever scripture you can to justify your personal point of judgement on the church.
    Thirdly- In D&C 84:60 – 64 it says: Verily, verily, I say unto you who now hear my words, which are my voice, blessed are ye inasmuch as you receive these things; For I will forgive you of your sins with this commandment – that you remain steadfast in your minds in solemnity and the spirit of prayer, in bearing testimony to all the world of those things which are communicated unto. THEREFORE, GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD; AND UNTO WHATSOEVER PLACE YE CANNOT GO YE SHALL SEND, THAT THE TESTIMONY MAY GO FROM YOU INTO ALL THE WORLD UNTO EVERY CREATURE. AND AS I SAID UNTO MINE APOSTLES, EVEN SO I SAY UNTO YOU, YE ARE MINE APOSTLES, EVEN GOD’S HIGH PRIESTS; YE ARE THEY WHOM MY FATHER HATH GIVEN ME; YE ARE MY FRIENDS; Therefore, as I said unto mine apostles I say unto you again, that every soul who believeth on your words, and is baptized by water for the remission of sins, shall receive the Holy Ghost.

    This scripture is so reassuring. It is so promising. It shows us the way to Christ. It doesn’t just repeat that we are under condemnation from 183 years ago. It communicates hope as we believe on His words and DO something about it. It gives us something to work towards instead of backpeddling to look at our condemnation from 183 years ago. Imua! Go forward!
    It even goes on to say in 84:86 that this is unto all the faithful who are called of God in the church unto the ministry from this hour . . .that goeth forth to proclaim this gospel of the kingdom.

    Finally, following the prophet is wise counsel! Else, why did the Lord give us a prophet in the first place!? He DOES know the way. Although we may know the way through scripture reading and study, the prophet sees and is responsible for the entire church. He and the apostles of Jesus Christ are therefore appointed stewards over this earth. They, not us, receive revelation for the entire world or in other words, for the entire human race. We may receive revelation, inspiration or promptings for ourselves, our families, and our callings, etc., but there is one appointed to receive these revelations, inspirations, and promptings and guidance from above to direct the affairs of His church in the world.

    I believe that the prophet is called of God and I do not question that at all. Following his counsel has always proven a blessing and has been profitable to us. Ignoring his counsel has often brought grief and / or heartache. So I stand firm in following the counsel of the prophet. Just as a teen begins to question the parents and doubt them only to find out when they reach adulthood that the parent really did know and want what would bless their life. As a seer and revelator, the prophet, through the Lord Jesus Christ, will be the mouthpiece for the Lord. I will follow the counsel of the prophet for it has never, ever led us astray.
    Love Mom

    • I have no idea what you are saying. You stated that I am randomly putting together the consequence of Adam’s death and the 183 year old condemnation. But, that is not what I am doing. What I am comparing is the timing of the Lord. Adam & Eve did not die once biting into the fruit, swallowing, or completely digesting. Adam didn’t die until he was 930 years old. Likewise, the 183 year old condemnation requires the Lord’s timing to be fully realized. But, ignoring the warning will not serve our purpose of claiming exaltation, because what the Lord promises, He fulfills.

      The Lord is no respecter of persons. By choosing one portion of D&C 84 that YOU LIKE (or fits into your current tradition), doesn’t make the rest of it, that YOU DON’T LIKE (or doesn’t fit your tradition), less true. All of it must fit, for the prophet to the least of saints. While you try whittling out the scriptures to fit your paradigm, I am whittling my heart to fit the paradigm the scriptures dictate, because “wo be unto him who putteth his trust in the arm of flesh.” Even though you condemn my opinion concerning the way I receive a prophet, somehow, you have made room in your mind for the idea that a prophet is no longer the arm of flesh.

      If you are right in “following the prophet,” then how do you mitigate the contradiction in the scripture? If you claim what the saints claim, that a living prophet is more important than a dead prophet, then why read the scriptures at all, since a living prophet can negate the scripture anyway? All one can do, in your paradigm, is wait until the prophet speaks each general conference, to determine the latest improvement to scripture, just as the saints in the time of the Nicean Crede did. Eusebius made the same claim, “Christ started it out good, the apostles improved upon Christ’s efforts, but… the Nicean Crede… now that’s the latest and greatest!” Everybody oughta get on board, because a living vicar (constantine) is better than a dead one (Christ). I really don’t know how you can pick and choose what you want to believe, and still claim to believe in a God unchanging.

      In the event that the current leaders diverge from the scriptures, I choose to follow the scriptures. That is what I recommend all do. That is what Lehi did, what Nephi did, and all prophets who came to know Christ by physically entering into His presence. And since I too want to enter into His presence, I will follow the advice of those who have been there and are instructing me how to do the same. Those who teach a doctrine to “leave it alone,” or to “trust in the prophet because only He can have that relationship with Christ,” I consider them either innocently ignorant, or an anti-Christ.

      But, …as I have said to many others, “You must do what your heart tells you, and I will do as mine does.” My heart tells me that I need to know my Christ, and so I will do all in my power to make room in my life to seek that out. It comes at great costs, my family, my friends, and my good name, perhaps it will even cost my life. But all will be counted as filth and dross to me, in exchange for my knowledge of the Savior. Whether or not a mouthpiece leads you one way or another, that’s your kuliana. Good luck with that one… and… IMUA!


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